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PostSubject: next leauge   Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:01 pm

So it has been decided that the next leauge will be block. Now we just need a few suggestions as to which one to choose. I'll keep this decision for a while, and before the start of the next league we'll have a poll with the most popular suggestions and make it the winning suggestion.
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:07 pm

Lorwyrm Shadowmoor Block please, this is the block i have more cards Smile
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:54 pm

lol, not a bad suggestion but... those 2 sets are pretty much whats "in" right now in standard so i'm not sure how much of a change it would be
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:22 pm

i Suggest Time Spiral block ( its sufficently different to the lorwyn/shadowmoor block and the cards that make it up are readily available and not very expensive for people who don't already have them ( unlike the ice age ( which because of the snow lands is very expensive skreds great but god powering it costs an arm and a leg Smile ) You could also consider Ravinica block or even the Kamigawa anything before these is entering into the realms of classic and i don't know how many of our clan members would want the expense of buying cards that they could only play in classic format games ?.
But as you say its all open to suggestions. so come on clanmates lets hear what you want to play Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:43 am

if i'm correct about this the Kamigawa is really when mtgo started to become very popular so these commons are very accessable and for a tix or 2 i think a pretty resonable deck could be made.

as far as trying to free cards for the clan. i'm trying to find a good bot and will set it up to be alot like the 1:1 project. (they would trade cards, cards for cards with differents bots for differnt rarities) but i've had no luck finding a bot. all the ones i knew about havent made the switch yet to version 3. if anyone has a suggestion let me know.

i guess for the time being i could make a new account and do the trading manually. i wont have cable tv in my new apartment so i should have lots of free time
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:52 am

Hey

- block sounds good, dont really mind which block

- can we finish this league first? i still have 2 matches that need to be updated

- trading cards and making decks is everyones own responsebilty i think. commons are not expensive and not difficult to find

cheers Smile
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:14 pm

yeah sry about that... since for some reason the forum doenst show my code anymore i have upload everything to where my website is hosted which doesnt suppose the html editor i use. so i have to write out or cut an paste the table together. and now that the table is bigger its not so easy. i'll try to get to it first thing in the morning and i guess since most people havent gotten thier 20 matchs in includeing me

i'll give the league till midnight this comming sunday.
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PostSubject: League   Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:55 pm

Hallo clansmen.
I've had great fun in the league, and especially want to thank Timmy for his good work, computer-problems and all. For the next block, I'm open for most things, but could see Ravnica as a fun challenge. We still have to solve the problem with number of games though. I havent been able to get all my games played, even though I'm online fairly often and try to challenge people when I see them. Who wins? I would say the highest percantage of games won, but that still leaves the problem that if somebody play 1 game and win, they have a 100% win Smile We have to have a minimum of games then
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:33 pm

I tend to agree with mrmoto's comments i think the league should be decided on the % of games won ( and to eliminate the problem highlighted by mrmoto i suggest that we set the following :-
1 a completition date for the league ( i believe Timmy has done this already ?)
2 the required total number of matchs to be played ( in this league it was set to 20) and a % threshold to be reached before the win % of games would count towards a league placing i suggest 60% (12 matchs in the current league format ) i think this is not to high to disadavntage soem of our clanmates in timezones that make match ups excessively difficult ( but once again this is open to debate) and afterall it is Timmy who has taken the budren of running this league ( for which timmy the greatest thanks cheers ) And so it really be should be up to Timmy to decide. But i for one would like the league to be decided by the players overall performances and this is a suggestion as to how this can be achieved .Please clanmates get involved tell us how you want the future leagues to run.
( this is our 1st attempt call it an open Beta test if you like Very Happy ) So please help us to make it better and fun for all those who choose to play in it.
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:24 am

My sugguestion for the next league is choose your own block. So what ever deck you make all the cards in it must be from the same block. That would get around the issues of people having lots of cards for one block but not many in another. It'll also be fun i think to see which block emerges victorious (Artifact lands should be resricted and cranial plating banned).

Regarding the % of games won idea.. I tried this out for a couple of seasons in my last clan and while it did solve the problem of catering for people who could only manage to play a limited number of games as well as those who wanted to play many, we decided to stop doing it because we felt it took the fun out. When you're using the percentage you never really have any idea how well anyone is doing. The best part of the league was always when things were comming to a close and you could say something like "If I win my next 3 games and he loses 1 of his I will win", but this can never happen with a percentage. It's had to explain, maybe you will have to try it out to understand what i mean.

Now that Common Sense II is starting to fill up we will have more people entering the league and if we use the clan channel (/join common sense) then it should be easier to find people to play.
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:02 am

Let me start by thanking timmy for setting up the league and both timmy and wildman for maintaining the league while it was running (taking scores and putting them up here).

More regular score updates would be nice however. You can see this as a compliment because this means i was very interested in how the others and myself were doing.

Part of the fun for me was the fact that i was winning alot Smile I never won anything on mtgo, neither official or free tournament or league, but this time I put together a deck that dealt quite nicely with the competing ones. I played 13 matches and didnt loose a single match. 9 times i won 2-0. Two matches i played red/blue illusions and 11 with a monogreen deck with mostly shm cards. I'll post the deck in the standard section later.

The idea of the next league being "block" and you can choose whichever block seems intriguing, imagine how many different decks that could be. You could encounter almost every (common) card in mtgo this way. My head is already spinning with ideas Smile

Edit. On second thought, i dont want to post my decklist on a public forum. I hereby request a section on the forum only accessible by registered common sense users. Seeing as we now are competing with others clans if i understand andy's posts, a bit of information protection might be a good idea. This way we can secretly plan to take over the world etc :p

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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:40 pm

i was keeping up really good with the scores but then this whole the fourm not likeing my coding suddenly just made it impossible. but i will try to get the results of this finished on up and try to find a better way posting results.
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:02 am

Let's test these tables to
see if the H T
M L code works. If
It does Forum is OK
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:00 am

lol andy. now did you use the options here in the fourm to make your nice little table, or did you make your table someplace else then cut and pasted it in?
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:29 am

I tried it using the table making options on here and by writing the code myself and it works both ways. If you were to post your code on here we can have a look through to see what might be stopping it from working Smile
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:57 pm

when i was doing it and the problem started the code wouldnt even show up as just plain text. then even text wouldnt show up in that same thread..

one difference i have noticed is that the forum uses a [ ] bracket instead of the < > like i'm used to.
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:02 am

Yeah it does.. maybe that's the problem. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:13 am

andymc1 wrote:
My sugguestion for the next league is choose your own block.

this sounds like a good idea to me too Smile as long as you dont have to stick with your chosen block. so each match you can choose a different block if you want.
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:04 pm

well i hope its ok but i went a head and made us a quick website, there isnt much to it but i dont have cable tv anymore so i should have lots of free time on my hands voting for the next leauge can be found here.

http://www.freewebs.com/mtgocommonsense/polls.htm
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:32 pm

where is the "block wars" option ? (choose your block each match)
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:40 pm

i think it would be too hard to keep track of whos playing what block. and if you got to change your block for each match we might as well place classic so all the cards are avaible
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:07 pm

mmh well you are still limited to cards from only 1 block, which is a huge impairment compared with classic.

playing with only commons from only 1 block seems to me like you will see only a few different decks. i mean how many different ravnica decks can one make that are competative, everyone will play orzhov for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:55 pm

well we can always ban a card if its felt it'll hamper the spirt of casual play... like if we did mirrodion all the artifact lands would have to be limited
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:10 pm

ok, i like the idea of create your own block, but this gives me a question. Wich blocks can you play? from extended? from classic? from future extended? well good luck to all on the next league.
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:55 am

I don't see any reason why there would be a need to keep an eye on what block people are using. I'm sure plenty of people will want to try several different decks from different blocks, I can't see any problem with this. If people begin with one deck/block and realize after a couple of matches how bad it is, it's much better for them to be able choose another block to give themselves a chance in their future matchs.

I'm not sure what the thinking behind not allowing people to use a number different blocks is. If it's flavour i.e. We would not be able to definitively say that one block won above the rest, then let me point a couple of things out. People who are winning game after game will generally not change their deck/block. So the person that wins the league will more than likely have used the same deck througout the league. The people who will want to change their deck/block will be the ones that are losing their games, so we will be putting restrictions on the poorer players which will widen the gap between the good and bad. Not a good idea if you want people to stay interested in the league and have fun throughout.

Just to clarify... You will not have to keep an eye on what people play, and one block versus another will be fair as each player will have roughly the same amount of cards to choose from.

I think it's bad idea if we start getting over restrictive with what people can play especially when it's supposed to be about enjoyment, and if everyone in the clan wants to play it...

Here are the different blocks people will be able to choose from and the sets in each of those blocks;

Lorwyn Shadowmoor block
Lorwyn
Shadowmoor
Morningtide
Eventide

Time Spiral block
Time Spiral
Time Shifted
Planar Chaos
Future Sight

Ice Age block
Ice Age
Coldsnap
Alliances

Ravnica Block
Ravnica: City of Guilds
GuildPact
Dissension

Kamigawa block
Champions of Kamigawa
Betrayers of Kamigawa
Saviors of Kamigawa

Mirrodin block
Mirrodin
Darksteel
Fifth Dawn

Onslaught block
Onslaught
Legions
Scourge

Oddysey block
Oddysey
Torment
Judgement

Invasion block
Invasion
Planeshift
Apocalypse

Mirage block
Mirage
Visions
Weatherlight

EDIT: You can put polls on this forum Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:36 am

andy i must have miss understood that people could change thier block and it would be ok. but for now i think its still going to be a specific block that gets voted for. its not like its a perment thing and it will change the next round.

personally i dont see anything wrong with restricting the card pool once in awhile. when you do this it gets people to look at some of the lesser used cards. plus its a good exersice and should help people develop as a magic player.

as far as people being able to get cards for whichever block, i know we all play pauper so we dont have to shell out a ton of money but therse are only commons here, i picked up a playset of the entire onslught block for $4.50 off of ebay a few months ago. that would bearly get you a booster pack here in the states. plus we can always trade for the cards needed i noticed it worked out well for std, no one really had shadowmoor cards at first but by the end of the round more decks seemed to be filled with them


lol i tried to put a poll in here but i coudlnt find the option for it
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:49 am

To start a poll you need to begin a new thread.

People seem to want to do choose your own block over a specific one. There are quite a few members who have already built decks for a 'choose you own block' league. I don't understand your comment about restricting the card pool. Neutral Cardpools will be restricted doing choose your own block just as they would by doing a specific one except you will be giving people a choice on what pool to use. As for people using cards you would not normally see i completely disagree that a specific block will make this happen more than choose your own block (take a look at wildmans Ice Age deck).

To be fair to everyone I'll post a poll in the new 'League Discussion' section with the sugguested blocks and the choose your own block options.
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PostSubject: Re: next leauge   Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:51 pm

hi,

i would like more the idea of choosing one specific block and making the league shorter. so we could play an other block next league and so on.. if we play a league which handles up all blocks, what will be the next league idea then without getting boring..

sorry for my enlgish, hope u understand what i mean..

i am just bored of overpowered commons. the sin of pauper decks in my opinion is to use simple cards which arent that much better as other commons. Grim Harvest for example is overpowered. and in mirage the Crypt Rats are just hard to beat, its the only card which can really clean the board. but maybe its just me and my experience by loosing against hese cards Wink

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