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PostSubject: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:10 am

After playing mtgo for a few months i sold all my noncommon and became a pauper player. Mainly because of the fact that the people playing pauper are so much nicer. I've been playing pauper only now since a short time before V3.

I had so much fun in the 100c singleton league though, that i thought this format would be perfect for playing some noncommons again. Mainly because you can just buy 1 card you like instead of a full playset and because some cards which are really good in 100c singleton and arent that good in the normal formats are relatively cheap because of that.

My deck in the league was esper, so first i thought i'd just replace some cards with better noncommon cards. But i decided that i would always be at a disadvantage with 3 colors vs those multicolored decks who use all the expensive fetchlands and duallands. Therefore i chose to go monocolored, and because one needs carddraw and because blue is my favorite mtg color anyway, i chose to go monoblue.

Blue is bounce, steal and counter.I tried concentrating on that. I also added a morphing/wizard theme to it. Its not THAT much of a control deck, i use 26 creatures also. I also tried to use the monocolored manabase to play spells with cc like cryptic command (UUU1), plumeveil (UUU), overbeing of myth (UUUUU) and other spells which are inproved by an island based manabase like spire golem and vedalken shackles.

All in all there are alot of tricks and combos in it and solutions to every problem (duplicant for colorless removal, chromeshell crab for shrouded creatures, memory plunder to use their graveyard for stuff blue doesnt have like massremoval, spotremoval, direct dmg, artifact/enchant hate).

Ok so i started playing in the queues casual room with this deck and what happened is what i want to talk to you guys about and would like to know what you think about it.

About 3/4 of the games i have are really good games, however 1/4 of the games, the moment i play any kind of counter spell, people start complaining, sometimes rude, sometimes less rude. Sometimes they even call me names. This one guy told me i was a coward for playing blue. Imagine that, an anonymous person on the internet calling me a coward. I thought this was all very ironic. I bet irl he hasnt got the guts to say to people how he feels to their face, so he goes on the internet HEROICLY calling other people names for what? for what exactly?

Sometimes i havent even played 1 counterspell (there are only like 12 in my deck of the 100 cards mind you), i just play venser or vedalken shackles and they already go into pissed-off mode. What a difference compared to the pauper scene. I have played people with 100c discard decks, and ALOT of people play UB control, only encounted a monoblue deck once. Some people have cheap decks, other have decks in which their manabase is already 10x more expensive then my whole deck.

Every deck is different, deal with it. Some decks are better against one kind of decks and worse against another. I have no problem with that. But apparantly alot of people do, and i don't get this. If you don't play the way they like you to play, you're an idiot, a coward. I talked about this in the chat channel and it seems the crowd is divided about this. One half hates counters and the other half hates the people who hate counters. I don't personally care what someones likes or not, i just expect decent and friendly behavior.

One guy in the chat compared it to traffic, he was annoyed in traffic too all the time, 'live with it' he said.
I think this is a very wrong comparison. Traffic has nothing to do with magic. Traffic is a neccesary evil to get from one place to another, magic you play because you want to play magic. Paper magic or even pauper magic would be a much better comparison. Well you see where i am going.

Not everyone is rude. Last night i was playing this guy who had no cards in his deck that were cheaper then 5 tix. He had all the Me2 duals on the table etc. But still i play one counter and he is gonna complain and say its "not done" to play counters and that it "isnt fun".

So this was my rant. I thought i'd "write if off" (the frustration) instead of repeatedly running headfirst into a brick wall.


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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:17 am

Casual games are the ones that are supposed to be friendly social occasions, but there are far too many idiots with different agendas for that to be the norm. If this was casual matches I'd say just shrug it off, concede the match and move on.



But this is the 100 man queues!
This is not casual.
As such you are paying to play, and you're in it to win prizes and ratings points.
Nobody should care who plays what in tournaments.
If your opponent goes on tilt then that's great, he's not paying full attention to winning.
The corolary is that you shouldn't get involved in chat, they may just be trying to get you to run down your own clock.

If you have plenty of time and if your opponent is pleasant then you can also have a great chat, but that's not the main reason to be in a queue.
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:00 am

Oh i might have used the term "queues" wrong then. I thought the big list of games in the casual rooms was the queue. Apparantly queues mean tournaments i misued the term then. I'm such a noob sometimes Embarassed Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:45 pm

LOL, wires crossed.

If this is casual then, yes, people get way too worked up about what you play. As for the guy with the million dollar land base, well what a hypocrite. As I said before, if someone gets upset in a casual match then I always concede, there's no point carrying on if they're not having fun, and at least I can give them the win.
The only way to be safe is to always be the one to make the table, and to always say what you're playing in the message space. It's a nuisance, but if you say "Casual. I'm playing counters" then noone can say they weren't warned.

Personally, anything that's not sanctioned is casual to me. I don't care what people play, and I really don't mind losing to original or fun decks.
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:08 pm

i used to get the same thing everytime i would cast jittie or played a land from urzaton. jmason is right just post that your playing counters, only prob is then people will say oh i didnt know and still complain. if you want games little whining you can always try the tourny practice room but theres less people in there.

there is no offical word from wizards as to what caual magic is. so long as your not in a tourament you are playing caual magic.

i would just block who ever gives you the hard est time.
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:30 pm

well 3/4 of my games are still great

1/4 those people indeed i block

wouldnt want to advertise i play counters, they kind of are a suprise eh Smile
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:15 pm

lol thats true, cuz if i knew someone was playing counters i would play a discard deck Smile

anyways mtgo isnt all that bad even with the rudest people, i played in a vintage touramnet once and had a guy flip out because i drew a card before untaping my lands which is out of step but who cares i mean really.

also had a guy get upset when i would tap my lands, take my hands off them then untap them. i think he got the rules for chess confused with magic
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:36 am

well its not just because they lose, i have alot of people who quit on me on turn 3/4 and say

"i play for fun, your deck is not fun, bye"

thats really bugs me, because i think my deck IS fun.

i just dont get that, who are they to say what i fun wrong looking at only a few of your cards. And what bullshit that they think their deck is SO FUN and mine ISNT. It just ruins my mood.

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i now add the comment "bring anything" it really helps Smile
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:13 pm

Got quickly tired of counterspells too, so i removed them all.

And i must say matches tend to be more fun now. Still no reason for people to get rude though.

I really like the format though and encourage all to try and beat me at it Smile (which isnt that hard)
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PostSubject: pauper players vs. the others   Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:55 am

I really think that people who play pauper consistently, like us, are of a different cloth. We have a different mindset and we are more about having fun than beating the other guy.

I don't get upset over counter spells, though I do admit that I can get frustrated sometimes. Smile I think they are fine, but there are those players who have the creatureless decks and counter, burn, destroy to the point where you are feeling like you are just a bystander. Those are the ones that upset me.

I think if someone is upset about the counter spells in a deck like yours, where it is a fair balance, that they need to learn to rework their 'perfect' deck to compensate for it. I wouldn't worry about it. I know it can get under your skin. This week I've had people conceded without a word when I played an exalted card early in the game when they hadn't seen anything else in my deck. If they only knew...
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:31 pm

I agree with Toni some people only want to win and when they see a card played that they think will disrupt their " perfect" deck's chances of winning they freak out and either concede or become abusive or just drop from the game without any notice what so ever leaving you sitting there wondering if its a connection problem and if they might rejoin. Its sad when you think about it mtgo gives players lots of tools to enable them to build a winning deck and there are as many ways to win as there are players out there Very Happy . In all honesty i think the official sanctioning of pauper has tended to bring in more of the type of behaviour that we found objectionable in magic before pauper was widely played and which seemed to me to be missing in the pauper community.(hence my love for that format and the people who play it and make commonsense such a great clan to be a member of) But i have noticed that on the back of more widely played pauper has come the change of attitude of some of the people playing it maybe not the die-hard pauper players but some of the newer player ( new to pauper that is Very Happy ). And its that abusive attitude that made Toni quit playing for so long i for 1 am more than glad to see her return. I just hope that we have more players with the old school mindset that made pauper so much fun to play. And maybe we can get to some of the new ( new to mtgo and pauper) players before they come to think being a bad sport and being abusive to your opponent is acceptable behaviour. I would never dream of abusing someone for playing cards that i hate ( yes it can be frustrating annoying and in some cases boring having to sit there while someone plays a saps deck is boring but hey its something someone built and it reflects their effort and thought that has gone into its design and maybe hours of testing they have carried out, just play the game win or lose say gg and move on not all games are greatly enjoyable the shuffler tends to see to that Very Happy . But once its over your next 1 might be and even if the game might not have been fun you may have had a nice time chatting to your opponent. Very Happy .
Play magic in the spirit it was meant to be friendly and competetive Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:22 pm

Old thread but relevant for me after todays abuse.

After playing Tribal to death during this holiday period in an effort to get some league points I decided to play some casual Classic constructed. I chose a B/R dark ritual, empty warrens etc deck.

I played 2-3 matches, each match ending abruptly with 'Solitaire decks are !' or 'Playing against a solitaire deck is like watching someone m@$718ate' or 'p@ss off with your net deck' etc etc

When getting abused I simply replied with 'Smile' which was enough to provoke a concede.

I began to get frustrated because I kept drawing top deck and never got to show it off lol. I soon changed to a BUW - blind hunter, aven riftwatch, momentary blink deck which got far less abuse.

In all my matches I advertised that I was playing a 'Classic' format deck, no mention of test deck so I assumed players would bring along their best classic deck and expect to play against any and all classic decks, thus should have expected a solitaire style deck...goblins or saps etc.

I find that in the tournament practice area you don't get abused like this as players are expecting decent decks and are fielding what they think is their all star deck, if it loses they go back to the drawing board and modify hence welcoming defeat in some cases.

It's a shame that people get so angry, if they are at bursting point 'g2g phone call - concede' or something less abusive than 'LTPn00b'!
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:02 am

It seems as though people playing classic in the casual room are the ones most likely to be playing an actual casual deck. The specialist formats like 100 singleton and pauper are most likely to be playing a tuned tournament deck.
As for the abuse you get, just allow yourself a single fist pump and move on, they'll grow up one day.
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:37 am

Maybe they just don't know how to play around counter spells or haven't given any thought to it when deck building and are now suffering because of it. If your deck is weak against counters it can be frustrating, but if you have the tools to beat it it can be as fun as any other game. People plan for decks which use creature removal with abilities like shroud and gy abuse all the time. These people just need to accept that counter spells are part of the game and once they figure that into their build and it works they'll be rewarded because of it. I think the reason people in pauper are more accepting of others' decks is partly due to the fact that it is much harder to make decks which abuse a certain style of play which negates whatever your opponent wants to do. In pauper, if someone annihilates you every time with an LD deck you say good luck to them, get yourself in a tourney, in fact i think I'll borrow your design. In a non-pauper format they would just say you're not playing a casual deck and get cheesed off. Just carry on what you're doing mate, It's their fault that their deck can't beat yours. Their annoyance is just a reflection on their own inability the make a decent deck. If they are playing a mad-fun casual deck they should just apologise that their deck can never win and concede to save you both some time.
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PostSubject: Re: my adventures in the nonpauper world   Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:00 pm

I think you'll find more as.sholes than not in casual room. I stopped playing there. As ideal as it would be to be a humble winner and gracious loser we're only human. Take it all with a grain of salt, and if it's spoiling your enjoyment, do what I do; only play with friends =)

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